Liminal States Host Bill Clarke and guest George A Wade

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 listeners.  Hope you've been well. It's been a very hot summer.  We've been very busy with travels and vacation. So welcome to the Scrambled Eggs and Ham podcast. The Scrambled Eggs and Ham podcast, it's a podcast that shines a spotlight on individuals who have faced life altering health challenges, such as cancer, stroke, and multiple sclerosis, and neurodiversity, just to name a few things. 

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Tonight's episode is on liminal space. 

It's 9 p. m. You stayed late after everybody had left work. You take the elevator down to the parking deck where you parked your car in the morning but you don't remember where you parked the car. So you use the keyfab twice.  No beeps.  You try twice. Once again, still no sound.  Then you walk over to the guard booth and there is no one there.

You start to panic. You panic.  Then you hear someone around the bend, one flight up, talking on their cell phone, walking to their car. Just then, you remember,  you are on the wrong floor.  So you take the stairs. This time, when you reach the floor  above, you spot your red Toyota, just where you left it.  Well. 

Until you find your car, the beautiful red Toyota, you were in liminal space.  Liminal space can be best described as going through a change or going from one place to another, from one thing to the next, says transition expert, Melissa Cohen, a licensed clinical social worker in New York and founder of the mental wellness website, a redefine you. 

It's the space between what is and what will happen next, she says. In other words, she says, liminal space refers to the actual space or time in which you shift from one phase to another. What's interesting about this concept is not only does everyone experience it at some point in their lives, but some people also tolerate it better than others, she says. 

And  psychologically, it can have positive or negative ramifications, but there are ways to learn to thrive in liminal space. Liminal space refers to the place a person is in during a transitional period. It's a gap and can be physical, like a doorway,  emotional, like a divorce or a metaphorical, like a decision.

This is where one thing ends and another is about to begin. But you are not quite there yet. You are in  the space between. Says New York based mindset expert, Kristen Franklin. Says New York based  mindset expert, Kristen Franklin.  Kristen Franklin, a transformative coach.  She works regularly with professional athletes and high level executives. 

I quote, she says, the tricky part of negotiating this void is that it also holds a huge helping  of the unknown.  And by and large, experts say humans don't like to exist in a space of unpredictability.  And then she gives an example.  She says that  people move through countless physical liminal spaces throughout the day and mostly don't even notice. 

Like when you're in a hallway heading from one office to another or sitting in a waiting room. You usually only notice it when something is less than normal about the space.  Quote for example, walking down a dark city street.  But it is dead silent and you hear your shoes on the pavement and you start to freak out.

Now she also talks about emotional liminal space. She says the emotional liminal space is likely. Or one is more likely to experience uneasiness, however, says Franklin,  even just your existence as a human falls into the category,  because the space between birth and death could be considered liminal. This is what we really want to talk about, as it has a major effect on our mental health, she says.

If you let it, says Franklin, when you are in a place of unknowing, that can be massively scary, uncomfortable.  It can create anxiety. So, There's two types of liminal space that we want to talk about tonight  and one is physical space We just talked about that moving from one office to the next or walking down a hallway or a dark city street at night the second type of liminal space is It's called psychological. 

Psychological liminal space is more likely where you notice and feel liminal space. Still, it's important to recognize the difference between the two, she says.  So, we talked about physical liminal space.  Some of the examples were, in the beginning, I talked about trying to find your car in a parking lot late at night and no one's around. 

Some other examples could be stairways, hallways, doors, and bridges.  So, let's talk about psychological  liminal spaces. This is, uh, kind of tricky here, but she says that, uh, less tangible and more emotional, a psychological liminal space may be recognized as more of a life transition or shift between two ways of thinking. 

As a result, both experts say psychological liminal spaces are often referred to instead as  liminal states. Hmm, liminal states.  This differentiation recognizes the mental aspects of often challenges involved with being mirrored between spaces. Basically, our minds like things to be regular and consistent.

It craves and creates predictability, says Franklin.  Our caveman brain has trained us to avoid anything where we don't 100 percent know the outcome. So as a result, adds Franklin.  So Franklin says, and I quote her, she says, when people find themselves in liminal states, they often are accompanied by feelings of, of anxiety.

And she says, there are two main types of psychological liminal states, according to experts, emotional and metaphorical, emotional liminal states. She says, emotional liminal states  tend to accompany life transitions or milestones. For example, she says, the transition between being a child and an adult is a heavy liminal space. 

And then she says, from an emotional perspective, a liminal spaces describe the time between the end of one part of a person's life and the beginning of the next phase. Additional examples of transitions that accompany emotional liminal states include a graduation,  Engagement, marriage, breakup, divorce, pregnancy, birth,  diagnosis of a serious or terminal illness or career change or retirement.

And she goes on to say the death of a parent,  the other psychological liminal space is metaphorical and this mental state, the liminal space is literally in a person's mind.  The metaphorical mineral space, there is usually a decision of some type to be made, and until the person decides one way or another, they'll be swinging in a perpetual state of mineral uncertainty, says Cohen.

Examples include, Dr. Cohen gives some, uh,  Lisa Cohen gives some examples of choosing which college to attend,  making a decision between two potential partners, I'm sure most of us have been there before. deciding whether to take a job or not. I know that's something in our, everyone's experienced that  accepting or rejecting a proposal or just as just as simple as picking a vacation destination.

And then Cohen goes, and I quote, she says, uncertainty can be very uncomfortable, lonely, overwhelming, paralyzing, emotionally demanding. And mentally exhausting says Cohen,  but it can be also transformative and valuable,  providing creativity, strength, and opportunity to move forward, evolve, grow, and develop a mindset that anything is possible.

It could be in Japan, you could be in Germany. We have listeners in Germany and we have listeners in Brazil all around the world on Scramble Legs and a Ham podcast. So this, so I'm speaking now with George, George Ainsley, George Ainsley Wade is on the, is on the show with me this afternoon and you know, we're talking about liminal space and we're talking about physical and liminal space.

I gave examples about that earlier and the most important thing is psychological or metaphorical Liminal space. And George, can you share some experiences about metaphorical Lim liminal space and your research on it and what you found out about, and what intrigued you about it? Yeah. I, I, I was intrigued right from the very beginning.

Um, you know, the, the Latin liminal lim, it comes from lot, lot lemon, which equals, which means threshold. Mm-Hmm. . And that we cross,  uh, many, many thresholds. Uh, every day and it's the space where we transition, uh, from one phase of life to the other. It could be physical, going through a doorway or a hallway as we're transitioning from one room to another, uh, emotional, uh, where we can, uh, you know, deal with things such as, uh, you know, divorce or, uh, in physical, um, You know, we're, uh, excuse me, metaphorical, which is, uh, you know, making a decision, you know, that sometimes we might struggle with, uh, you know, uh, that's the space between deciding, uh, you know, two options. 

And, um, as soon as I started researching this, I realized that,  uh, that, uh, I, I, I was 67 years old, which is how old I am today, right, um, it's not my birthday, but how old I am right now, before I knew about liminal space. Uh, as a Buddhist, what's interesting is,  we study this all the time, and we talk about it all the time.

In fact, how we move, uh, between, uh, the ten worlds, which is, I won't go over the ten worlds, that's, uh, Conversation maybe for another podcast, but there are ten worlds that we go through from hell, hunger, animality, all the way up to heaven, and then at the top, Buddha, being a Buddha. And  those are life conditions that we live that determine our happiness.

And we can be in different worlds  all at the same time. We can. You know, we could be in heaven and hell all at the same time. We could be in heaven if we find out that, you know, you know, we got, uh, 1, 500 and then we're in hell when we, when we add 1, 500, that's the goal, you know, to pay, uh, a speeding ticket or something.

We got a speeding ticket and it, and it went right out the door. So we, we can accept it, you know, um, exhibit those worlds. But even within going between that, there's this liminal space. Yeah. That exists where we always transition.  And, um,  what's interesting about it is you realize that we can actually be stuck sometimes in that transition space.

Um, because we, you know, we, we, with that space, uh, instead of being a transition, it becomes a destination.  You know, um, And I, I can think of a specific time when we got divorced,  I remember, um, you know, a lot of things were crashing financially and, um, you know, I had to get out of my house. I had to sell my house and, you know, I was stuck in this kind of,  uh, interesting,  you know, netherworld, uh, It became a destination where I be, it became, I was unable for me, uh, you know, to make a decision for about eight months.

I was living in the house by myself and, you know, I had the, the, the, uh, the banks knocking on my door. You gotta, you know, you have to do something, you have to move. But I was emotionally.  Uh, bankrupt because of, you know, I was in that emotional, uh, liminal space and I'm unable to make other decisions and transition,  um, you know, and transition.

And so it,  it came right down to the wire, you know, back in 2016 on the day I physically moved out of the house, um, a friend of mine. Uh, helped shock me into, back into reality and he, he actually put me up for about six months. Wow. That's great. As I was, yeah, as I was transit, fellow Buddhist, by the way, as I was transitioning.

Wow. So, you know,  I'm thinking that when I think about the transitional and metaphorical and psychological, uh, liminal space. I'm thinking when I was, when I had my stroke.  And I was like, what the heck happened?  What do I do now? How do I support a family? How do I support me? What's the next step? I was definitely in this transitional period where  I was healthy on Monday  And on Friday I'm sorry, Thursday  I had a stroke  And I'm sitting in the hospital  In a bed, laying in a hospital bed, looking up at the ceiling,  people are coming in to visit me.

My family, my, my two kids were small, very small back then. And they didn't know what was happening to dad. And I'm in this transitional space. I'm like, well, damn, you know what, what do I do now? Right.  Did you have the same experience when you went through Finding out that, um, you just gave a really great experience, um, example about, you know, divorce because that's a transitional period.

But when you, George, when you, George has, um,  kidney, can I say kidney disease or diabetes? Yeah, no, I, well, yeah, I do have, I'm, I am a diabetic, uh, but I'm also in what's known as ESRD. ESRD stands for End Stage Renal Disease. Hmm. And at that point, you have to go on dialysis. So I am in, I have, my kidneys have failed and there is no coming back from that.

The only, um, you stay alive by going to dialysis three times a week. Um, you can do home dialysis, but that's not an option for me. That's all another conversation. Or, uh, you get a kidney transplant. Those, those, those are, those are the options. Um, and so your question is, When I was in that transitional place, that's it.

And that's it. That's a very interesting question because this whole  conversation of liminality played into that. Although at the time I didn't know it until, you know, I started in, you know, understanding this after you chose it as a topic and chose me to talk about it. So  what happened was that, you know, my experience that I just gave about the divorce and coming out of that You know transition period where I was parallel for  a long time.

Yeah  All right, I that became fuel for pretty much everything that has happened in my life since then the number one thing that's happened is my Complete faith in my own life, which in Buddhist terms, you know, we you know, we chant to the Gohan's and Which is a mirror of our life, and how do I take control of my life at this time in this moment.

And through that process, and as I said, the person that took me in for six months was also a Buddhist. So we were chanting together every day, and I realized how powerful my life was, and I can move through, uh, these spaces. So, let's jump forward, um, six years,  uh, from that time to when my kidneys failed.  I took it as another stage of life, okay?

And, um,  you know, we understand that life is lived in four stages. birth, aging, sickness, and death. So I'm between sickness and death. But that's okay, right? Everyone is gonna be in those in one of those stages of life. All of them. From the time we're born until the time we die. That's not the question.  The question is how are we living while we're moving through those?

So when I  understood that I was in  ESRD,  I  said, okay, this is just another stage. I'm going to do this better than anyone has done it before. I made that as a mission point for me from day to day.  And, um,  I walked into the center three times a week. And I'll just give you one quick story. I go on Tuesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays.

Uh huh. I had a guy that used to sit right next to me. He was, he'd come in Tuesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays. He came in after me. He started about, I've been doing this three and a half years. He came in about, um, a year and a half ago. Uh huh. And his name is Chuck. Uh huh. And Chuck and I would sit and talk and laugh and everything.

And the first thing I say when I walk in there in the morning,  and there's so many people as they're coming in, they look like it's their last day.  See, to me, it's not my last day, it's my first day. Okay. Of the rest of my life, right? Right. And I'm not gonna waste it being upset that I have to spend four hours here. 

So I always walk in and I say, good morning everyone, another day in paradise. That's what I say. That's wonderful. Uh huh. And, and now  nurses and other patients repeat it to me. Right? And, uh, so back to Chuck. Chuck switched over about a month ago to, um, Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Because it's more convenient for him.

That's wonderful. In his life, right?  But he came in the other day and he had, this is, today is Tuesday. Last Thursday, he had treatment back on Thursday. And I was like, hey Chuck, what are you doing here? They told me that you left and you went to Monday, Wednesday, Friday. He said, believe it or not, they had an opening today.

And I came in here to see you.  Wow.  Wow. And I said, you came to see me? What's that about? We all got to sit in this chair. He said, dude, he goes, I go in Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. No one talks. Everybody is like, you know, I hate to say it, but many dialysis patients, they go to dialysis three times a week while they're waiting to die.

Oh no. Instead of, you know,  Instead of understanding that what we have is a chance at life. It's not as great in terms of being able to move around the way I'd like to as it was before I was a kidney patient. But it's life! You live it the best you can. And so, when he said that to me,  I was humbled beyond belief, because I didn't think anything of it.

I was just living my life. But it showed me how, in this liminal space of transition, right? As, as, you know, because that is a transitional period. As I've had to transition from being a normal person to Like people who don't have kidney disease and being able to move around because it affects things like travel and things like that But you can work around it, right?

It's about having  a commitment I think  To your life and and to me, there's no there's no greater commitment in the world Which is the commitment to my life, right? And it gives me an opportunity to really live for my children and my grandchildren Yeah  I used, you know, the, the challenge of, uh, when I was in that bad space  when I got divorced, uh, to really power, uh, you know, uh, a way to fight, uh, challenges in your life without ever giving up and without ever slowing down and without ever, you know, uh, you know, deciding, you know, my life is over.

It's not over.  It's going to end at some point in time, because that's the way it is for all of us. Life is not permanent. But while I'm here, uh, man, you gotta make it the best ride you can. That's right. That is correct, man. That's right. That's right, you know. And using it, I was able to,  um,  coming through that stroke, I was able to, um, with the help of others, you know, it wasn't just my own, um, mind, you know, brain, my I know this is a lot of words and I know I'm repeating them, but I know they're not for It was helped.

And like you, you know, talking to others, inviting others into my space, I was able to develop myself through  liminal space, you know, create, create, I'm doing this creatively, you know, and I was able to focus on my personal growth.  What do I do now? Like you said, you know, like  it's a new day, right? Every day you wake up, it's a new day.

You know? And everybody has something, you know, like you said, the four stages of existence, you know, birth, right?  Aging. Aging. Sickness. Sickness.  And death. And death. And that's the transitional period as we're all moving through that. But like, you know, like, um, Cohen said, you know, the specialist, um, Cohen, she said that some people tolerate it.

And so did, um, Kristin.  She said that some people tolerate it better than others. And with this practice, like you mentioned earlier in the podcast, that we can transform anything, you know, anything, you know, into personal growth opportunities for personal growth. And that's what you did. You affected your environment where somebody came in and didn't have to come in, right?

Chuck didn't have to come in. It wasn't his time to come in this day to come in. It wasn't scheduled.  But because of your attitude about life and your philosophy, this Buddhist philosophy you have, and, uh, and, and, um, George is a Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism. There's all different sects of Buddhism, but he practices Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism.

So do I. And we all chant Nam myoho renge kyo. But because of you were able to transform that space and you affected somebody  who was, you know, actually in a liminal space too. Because Chuck, everybody in that room, you said is in liminal space, right? They come in  as if it's their last day on earth.  But you were able to transform that space and give them a sense of hope.

And that's why Chuck showed up. Because he, Chuck has hope, you know? You inspired him. Here's, here's the interesting thing about that, right? That wasn't my intention.  My intention, walking in the door, was once So, you know, when you first told any, as you know, when you had your stroke or, you know, my brother, he's, he's got multiple sclerosis.

When you're fighting any of these diagnoses,  it is very, um, normal and human, you know, to go to, well, my life is over, but what we don't realize is this is a transitional space. Right. Right. And, uh, and I'll give you two words that are very, um.  prevalent in our Buddhist philosophy. And one is courage and the other one is fear. 

And, and, you know, um, we're, we're always talking about approaching, uh, these life issues as they come up with courage and to not be fearful. But if you think about it,  those are the two things that most people people embrace. I see it every other day at the dialysis center. I mean, they're embracing, they don't have the courage to try and lift themselves up just a little bit, and they're living in fear of what's coming. 

We can't, we can't stop what's coming. This, this, at the end of the day, you know, my mother lived until 97.  She passed away last year.  She, that's a phenomenally long time to live.  And she lived every day. Like it was her last. I remember when she was 30 years old and I was a baby, a kid,  and she was raising me, but there's no, you know, you, you, you have to live like that every day, you know, you, you don't.

Decide we don't get to decide that it's over once we do that.  Uh, you know, uh, uh, what's his name? He was Dufresne, who played, uh, Dufresne was the character. Um, but he said, the one line from that movie, which is a great movie, that just sticks out to me, he said, um, when they were talking about prison, he was talking to Morgan Freeman about prison and getting out of prison, he said, you're either getting busy living or getting busy dying.

Mm. Wow. And that's a fact. You're either gettin busy livin or gettin busy dyin And we have the ability to do that in every single moment of our lives. To get busy living.  And, and, and by the way, Uh, going back to, uh, liminal space,  That is metaphorical. That is completely meta The metaphorical liminal space.

It's the space between options, Or deciding between ideas, Um, Or even, or, or, or even partners, that's something that I looked up. But that's an important liminal space, that's an option. You have an option to get busy living or get busy dying. And if you're getting busy dying, now you're just sitting around waiting, you know, for it to happen as opposed to, uh, you know, getting busy, um, living.

Um, I'll tell you one other quick story. Um,  my father, um, um, Uh, when he was, uh, my father was an amazing guy, right? Never was, uh, never didn't have any education, uh, educated himself, uh, didn't go to school. Uh, he was born in, uh, uh, the only English speaking country in South America, uh, which used to be British Guyana, it's now Guyana, and, uh, but he, he lifted himself up, he became a registered nurse.

moved to admit my mother in nursing school. They moved to America, you know, had a phenomenal wife. At the end of my dad was traveling all over the world, the whole nine yards when they Retired him from the hospital. I believe he was 68 or 69 when they retired him. From that day, all that living and all that life that was in my father went out of him.

My mother kept going. Like, my mother was still moving, doing, growing. My dad He basically felt like, you know, you know, he still wanted to work. They retired him and he didn't, he didn't transition. He got stuck in that liminal, in that space. And, and he died at 82.  But from like 68 to 82, my father did nothing.

He was a completely different guy and I remember going home because I live about, uh, seven hours from where I grew up and I'd go home and You know, my mother would come, you know, tell me, you know, he just lays there in the bed. He doesn't want to move. He just wants to talk about over and over and over again.

You know, that it wasn't his time to leave the hospital and on and on and on. No, sometimes it is your time and you have to find a way, you know, to move past it. You know, I'll never say my dad wasted the last, you know, um, 10, 12 years of his life. That's it. Not, I don't think that's correct, but, um, you know, you know, you can, a person, I watched someone get stuck in a transition space and not move into the next phase while I watched my mother do exactly the opposite. 

And so it's, uh, yeah, it's a very interesting, this is a very interesting and crazy topic. And you certainly start to realize that.  Not only do we face, um, I'll call, I'm going to make this up. I'll call them liminal challenges every day. Not only do we face a whole lot of them  every single day. Um, but,  uh, you, you can actually see where not, uh, making a decision, not moving forward, not putting one foot in front of the other, right in that moment that it needs to be done.

We, we can see, you know, the, you know, I can see that, you know, we're in, in point of fact, it had a devastating effect, not just on my father, but also on all of us who loved him.  See, you're also affecting other people around you. Right, that's correct. You, you, when you, you, you don't make, and only decision my dad had to make was to, was to make the decision to continue being, uh, that guy he was.

He became someone who became very upset and embittered over the one transition from working to retirement.  He didn't like the way it went. And so he, he relived it over and over and over again. And I, I, you know, I can absolutely see where that can be devastating. And you know, you see what you've done, um, through coming through your stroke.

And by the way, I tell people about you all the time. Oh, thank you so much. I'm not saying that because we're on this podcast. I'm saying that because I think that it's amazing. Um, you know, you know, these victories that we have, I think are amazing. And what they do is they help other people power through the difficult times they're having in their life.

Because that's really what it boils down to. We have to put one foot in front of the other  and power through the difficult times. And so when you asked me about how I did this with kidney disease, I powered through it. Of course there was depression and upset and all of that, but you can't live in that.

That has to become transitional, not destinational. I think it was the co owner, one of those other folks that you were talking about, um, in the material that you sent me that was talking about, uh, the danger, really. of the transition becoming the destination. Right. And you know, people, other people, um, I'm interested in also exploring how other people cope with, uh, transitional space or liminal space.

And, you know, through their rituals, some people use mindfulness and other personal practices to get through with it. You know, um, if they don't chant Nam myoho renge kyo, there's other ways to, um, um, you know, get through and use it, that liminal space, as, um, So I just wanted to mention that, but also, um, um, what type of, um, you gave a lot of experiences about liminal space, about emotional, the middle space and psychological liminal space.

But what would you tell the listeners about it? 

About when they're in that transitional space and they don't know what to do or how to tolerate it and they don't have the tools.  They have the tools, but they don't know about the tools. Like, we have tools, we have tools in our practice, our Buddhist practice, when we're, you know, when we have, we come up against that brick wall, how we get through that brick wall. 

Well, what I would tell them is that, first of all,  you know, you know, I've practiced this Buddhism since 1975, right, so, you know, but I didn't realize, you know, as I said  earlier, Lyman.  is a threshold. I didn't realize  I never named it.  Okay. You know, I moved through this because my practice, you know, was like, okay, George, raise your life condition, move through, you know, this one area to another, whether it was, you know, getting married, getting divorced, um, buying my businesses, selling my businesses. 

You have to move through these spaces. I would tell listeners  to do a little more research on liminal space. Understand  that this is something  I mean, if you don't You know, we've been able to do that, Bill, you and I, because we practice Buddhism. But if you don't, or if you have another practice, You know, this transition area exists  So, you know, I'm so happy that I now know about it, I'm going to spend more time understanding it even further that, you know, this, this, this space where we can get caught.

I've been caught it in a million times, but I never put a name to it. Right, right, right. Put a name, when you put a name to something, I think it, it, it, it helps you, you know, To, uh, challenge, uh, you know, the issue that you, that, that you have. So that's, that's what I would say, because everybody's not going to have, you know, the, you know, you know, the, you know, the Nichiren Buddhism that you and I practice.

Right. Um, you know, for me, I think, um,  you know, it's the best thing I've ever done,  uh, because it has helped me live an amazing, amazing life.  Um, uh, but I think that it just is talking about this subject topic of today of understanding that life is a series of constant. physical, emotional, metaphorical transition periods that never stops, never, that keeps going all the time, you know, name it.

And once you, once you name it and understand it and realize that, wow, what I'm doing, I mean, just in the time that we've been talking about this subject. Uh, over the last couple of days that you sent me the material in today,  I've been able to put so, like, you know, like I said, the, you know, issue of when I was moving out of the house back in 2016,  I've been able to put all of that, I hadn't, didn't have a name for it.

Other than just the challenge. I didn't understand I was in, uh, I was in a transition space that had turned into, to a destination space. And I, and I, maybe I might have made some different  decisions then, if I was like, boy, you don't want to be stuck in this destination. I eventually was able to move through it.

But, um, I would tell the listeners, name it. It's not scary. You know, it'll, it'll, it'll, Yeah, name it. It's, it's, this liminal space is real. Yeah, it is absolutely real. And, I'm gonna experience some more of it in a couple of hours. When I have the next thing on my list. Take care. Take care. Thank you, you gave such a powerful experience about dialysis.

Yes, that was George Wade. Um, the brother of, of, um, Don Maxwell Wade. Who's also was quite for, for, for some time, for some episodes. Don was a co host on the Scrambled Eggs and Ham podcast, but listen, listeners, thank you so much for listening to take the time to listening to this important episode, um, Limitless Limital Space with Bill Clark.

That's me, the host and guest was  George Wade.  So have a wonderful and a victorious week. Remember, don't challenge others, but challenge your own weaknesses  and let's do something great this week. So have a great and a wonderful day. It's nice outside. It's beautiful. It's about 77 degrees. Have a wonderful and a beautiful afternoon. 

Time to scramble some eggs. 

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